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Old 02-20-2008, 12:21 AM   #11
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I do find it believable. I was on 6 meters the other day and overheard 2 old timers talking about how "Those no code folks are on our bands and think this is CB radio". According to them it is because of the no code requirement, and the requirements need to be what they had to study to pass. With vanity calls it is hard to tell who is new and who is old, until they tell you how they built their first radio. I did have to pass a code test to get my novice, and don't regret it. I don't mind they changed the rule to no code, as I probably would have been licensed earlier. Code or not, the reason was to allow more folks to get licensed. The original club I belonged to, and many others have folded due to lack of new folks wanting to get a license. Code or no code are both allowed in my campsite, and I will talk to either.
As for the testing, general knowledge is good to know, but today's rigs are built on circuit boards by robots. Most are not user repairable anyway. Other than basic electronic design knowledge, antenna design, rules and propagation, the rest is a bit useless.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:38 AM   #12
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Everyone I have who knows says the military is no longer requiring code, I'm not sure of the date they stopped teaching it however. Now: they may still offer code in some schools as an "Elective" but it's not required any more..

I do recall a few years ago (Well perhaps a few decades) the CIA was advertising for CW operators (IN QST no less) I don't know how much response they got from the ham community. CIA's code of "Don't talk about your work" and ham radio are kind of opposed. But some folks can do both. I have things about my job I don't talk about on the bands.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:56 AM   #13
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I have just been told that most services don't even have radio operators as such any longer.
I guess even the military has become appliance ops now.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:03 PM   #14
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Though there are few, if any, restricitons on language, In much of the country you will find Hams to be a lot nicer than some of the other folks out there with radio..

Dare I, (Who spent 25 years as a PROFESSIONAL radio operator) say that has tend to be more professional. (Which is how I'd describe it)

Our nets are better run

We tend to be more polite

And so on.

However, there is an old saying "There's always at least one bad apple" and Trust me, Nobody has a lock on them, both in and out, There are folks EVERYWHERE who seem to get their jollies by being pains in the anatomy.

We just do our best to encourage them to ... Shape up or ship off.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:43 PM   #15
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Sorry if I started a catastrophe about the code, but it sure bothered me when I studied and worked hard, yes I got on every night with a few of my elmers on 10M and worked on the code...I did learn it and do enjoy using it...for those that do not care for it so be it, but its another language added to my belt. I was a radioman in the Navy in 1972 - 1975, code was taught only if you re enlisted for another 2 years so they could send you to sub school. No thank you...38 months on the ship and 28 months at sea was good enough for me. I did eventually learn CW on the ship and left the navy with this. Although I did not become a ham until 19 years after I got out of the Navy I am sorry that I did not know about ham radio sooner. Yes I do know it was the FCC that changed the rules and am sorry if I caused a rift among us. That is not what ham radio is about, but these are just my feelings. I hated CW in the Navy but do enjoy it now. I feel that most clubs are more 2mtr repeater clubs than HF clubs anymore. Once again that is my opinion and that of many of the older hams...btw...the navy did away with the Radioman rating about 3 years ago...they are now called information specialists...combining the RM and CYN and another rate....as someone metionedd earlier about the CIA looking for operators, I was approached by a friend at SPAWAR about 3 years ago and declined a 6 - 9 month stint in Hawaii...HOPEFULLY no hard feelings to all ........
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:11 AM   #16
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I am beginning to think that both the old timers and ex military ops are about the only ones that use CW anymore.
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:23 PM   #17
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Maybe, but it is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be....what also helps is if one has some sort of musical talent...to me its like music, especially when it gets over 25 wpm...once over 30 - 35 it may sound crazy, but for me the sub conscience takes over and you just go with the flow...can't explain it any other way...
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:18 PM   #18
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Yea just drive down any Interstate Highway or freeway.(a california thing)
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:27 PM   #19
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I was against dropping the code, but I can see why it was done and can accept it. What really bothers me is even before they dropped the code completely, anyone could get a copy of the question pool, then they ddin't have to understand anything, just memorize it. When I took my extra, I got 100% on the written test but flunked the 20 wpm code test. That is why I am still an Advanced. Back when I got my general, I had to go to the FCC office. That was a hassle!!

I was one of those who built my first rigs, even though they were kits, it was definetely a learning experience. It is a shame that we have become "out of the box" hams. Sort of miss something that way.

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:37 PM   #20
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Yea, a good reason not to hang out on 75 meters. I've heard several QSO's that made me feel embrassed that hams would talk like that, especially the racist comments. If anyone wonders why younger folks aren't interested in amateur radio, some of the stuff on 75 meters is a pretty good reason.
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